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RE: Hermione
(09-10-2016 09:02 PM)Malevolent_Bat Wrote:  
(08-24-2016 10:55 PM)Superman Wrote:  The beginning of your post is interesting as I agree that both Snape and Hermione are brillant people eager to be praised and loved; which was one the main reason of Snape's jealousy towards James who was praised for his amazing flying skills and his brillance as a wizard overall and the reason why Hermione was so much against Harry using the Half-Blood prince's potion book, because he was getting more praises than her.

Hermione had right to feel Harry didn't deserve his sudden success at the Potions, as he never learned almost anything about. And she was also against Harry using and trusting - for the second time! - a book of unknown origin, and following instructions of some perfect stranger who potentially could be a dangerous enemy. I'm not a fan of Hermione, but sadly, she was right. The Prince wasn't an enemy, but Harry misused his book.

I like Ron's analysis of the situation :

"He only followed different instructions to ours," said Ron, "Could've been a catastrophe, couldn't it? But he took a risk and it paid off." He heaved a sigh. "Slughorn could've handed me that book, but no, I get the one no one's ever written on. Puked on, by the look of page fifty-two, but--"

Unless you're implying potion is only about following instruction Harry did a good job here.
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RE: Hermione
(09-10-2016 09:02 PM)Malevolent_Bat Wrote:  
(08-24-2016 10:55 PM)Superman Wrote:  The beginning of your post is interesting as I agree that both Snape and Hermione are brillant people eager to be praised and loved; which was one the main reason of Snape's jealousy towards James who was praised for his amazing flying skills and his brillance as a wizard overall and the reason why Hermione was so much against Harry using the Half-Blood prince's potion book, because he was getting more praises than her.

Hermione had right to feel Harry didn't deserve his sudden success at the Potions, as he never learned almost anything about. And she was also against Harry using and trusting - for the second time! - a book of unknown origin, and following instructions of some perfect stranger who potentially could be a dangerous enemy. I'm not a fan of Hermione, but sadly, she was right. The Prince wasn't an enemy, but Harry misused his book.

I actually talked about this in one of my essays:

Quote:Harry stirred counterclockwise, held his breath, and stirred once clockwise. The effect was immediate. The potion turned palest pink.
“How are you doing that?” demanded Hermione, who was red-faced and whose hair was growing bushier and bushier in the fumes from her cauldron; her potion was still resolutely purple.
“Add a clockwise stir -”
“No, no, the book says counterclockwise!” she snapped. Harry shrugged and continued what he was doing. (190-1)

This is the first mention of the book and Hermione. Now, she's frazzled because she can't get her potion right, not because she's mad at Harry for doing well. This also goes back to what we were talking about with proof. Hermione is someone who believes in logic and proof. She is also someone who puts importance on rules and books. We all remember her famous line about being expelled being worse than being killed, and her shock and offense over Hogwarts, A History never mentioning house-elves.

Quote:Harry slipped the tiny bottle of golden liquid into his inner pocket, feeling an odd combination of delight at the furious looks on the Slytherins' faces and guilt at the disappointed expression on Hermione's. Ron looked simply dumbfounded. (191)

Hermione is disappointed because she didn't win, not because Harry specifically won. She doesn't blame him, or send him dirty looks. She's not making a big deal out of it. She's just genuinely sad she didn't win the contest.

Quote:Once they were securely ensconced at the Gryffindor table for dinner, however, he felt safe enough to tell them. Hermione's face became stonier with every word he uttered. “I s'pose you think I cheated?” he finished, aggravated by her expression. “Well, it wasn't exactly your own work, was it?” she said stiffly. (192)

Stony means “exhibiting no feeling or warmth; impassive”. She's not happy with Harry. And she has every right not to be! The first time I read HBP, I didn't know that your grades in class didn't effect your overall score. Whitehound talks about it in her essay on British culture:

Quote:Note that there is never any indication that marks given for course work at Hogwarts affect the results of OWLs and NEWTs. Nor does anything affect the final outcome of the student's schooling, and their future career, except their OWLs and NEWTs and a reference from their Head of House. Trelawney, for example, warns the class that The Dream Oracle may be important to their exam results because it may come up in the OWL paper: not because the work they do on it in class may have any effect on their results. The school is clearly run on the system which was normal in Britain up to the late 1980s: i.e. your final results depend entirely on fifth and seventh-year exams. Other years' exams, and marks given for course-work, exist only to give the student an idea of what standard they've reached and whether they need to work harder in order to do well in their state exams.

So Harry's cheating isn't as bad as I originally thought. Also, we know that students have to pass the end-of-year exams to be able to continue (Flint gets held back a year and Ron and Harry are sad that Crabbe and Goyle passed). It's still cheating, though, and it's still unacceptable. Personally, I see it as if a student had the teacher's answer sheet to every test. Harry doesn't have to think, or pay attention, or learn. All he's doing is getting by on someone else's hard work. I'm with Hermione on this one: not cool, Harry.

Quote:“Ginny's got a point,” said Hermione, perking up at once. “We ought to check that there's nothing odd about it. I mean, all these funny instructions, who knows?”
“Hey!” said Harry indignantly, as she pulled his copy of Advanced Potion Making out of his bag and raised her wand. “Specialis Revelio!” she said, rapping it smartly on the front cover. Nothing whatsoever happened. The book simply lay there, looking old and dirty and dog-eared.
“Finished?” said Harry irritably. “Or d'you want to wait and see if it does a few backflips?”
“It seems all right,” said Hermione, still staring at the book suspiciously. “I mean, it really does seem to be... just a textbook.” (192-3)

Ginny overhears and brings up Tom Riddle's diary. Hermione's still suspicious about the book, and since they have no idea who wrote in it or had it last, that's a good idea.

Quote:For the rest of the week's Potions lessons Harry continued to follow the Half-Blood Prince's instructions wherever they deviated from Libatius Borage's, with the result that by their fourth lesson Slughorn was raving about Harry's abilities, saying that he had rarely taught anyone so talented. Neither Ron nor Hermione was delighted by this. Although Harry had offered to share his book with both of them, Ron had more difficulty deciphering the handwriting than Harry did, and could not keep asking Harry to read aloud or it might look suspicious. Hermione, meanwhile, was resolutely plowing on with what she called the “official” instructions, but becoming increasingly bad-tempered as they yielded poorer results than the Prince's. (194)

So Harry offers his friends the chance to cheat with him. Hermione, understandably, declines. We see another hint of her personality that we talked earlier, with her putting importance on the textbook being official. She's upset because Harry's cheating is not only getting better results, but loads of praise. She knows Harry did nothing to deserve it, isn't really trying, and cheating. Slughorn, on the other hand, seems to think Harry's a prodigy, and won't shut up about how great he is. If I were Hermione, I'd be upset too.

Quote:“Or herself,” said Hermione irritably, overhearing Harry pointing some of these out to Ron in the common room on Saturday evening. “It might have been a girl. I think the handwriting looks more like a girl's than a boy's.”
“The Half-Blood Prince, he was called,” Harry said. “How many girls have been Princes?” Hermione seemed to have no answer to this. She merely scowled and twitched her essay on The Principles of Rematerialization away from Ron, who was trying to read it upside down. (195)

Both Harry and Hermione have good points on the gender question.

Quote:Incredibly, and to Hermione's increasing resentment, Harry's best subject had suddenly become Potions, thanks to the Half-Blood Prince. (217)

Resentment means “indignation or ill will felt as a result of a real or imagined grievance”. Indignation means “anger aroused by something unjust, mean, or unworthy”. Personally, I think this situation is very unjust. Harry's cheating has made him the star of the class. He still hasn't gotten that cheating is a big moral no no! Hermione has every right to be upset.

Quote:“Ha!” said Harry, unwrapping the parcel to reveal a new copy of Advanced Potion-Making, fresh from Flourish and Blotts.
“Oh good,” said Hermione, delighted. “Now you can give that graffitied copy back.”
“Are you mad?” said Harry. “I'm keeping it! Look, I've thought it out -” He pulled the old copy of Advanced Potion-Making out of his bag and tapped the cover with his wand, muttering, “Diffindo!” The cover fell off. He did the same thing with the brand-new book (Hermione looked scandalized). He then swapped the covers, tapped each, and said, “Reparo!” There sat the Prince's copy, disguised as a new book, and there sat the fresh copy from Flourish and Blotts, looking thoroughly secondhand. “I'll give Slughorn back the new one, he can't complain, it cost nine Galleons.” Hermione pressed her lips together, looking angry and disapproving, but was distracted by a third owl landing in front of her carrying that day's copy of the Daily Prophet. She unfolded it hastily and scanned the front page. (220)

Harry switches the covers so he can keep the used one. We're shown again how much Hermione loves books by her being scandalized by Harry taking off the covers! She's disapproving because Harry has no intentions to stop cheating, instead he came up with a plan to keep cheating.

Quote:Harry had already attempted a few of the Prince's self-invented spells. There had been a hex that caused toenails to grow alarmingly fast (he had tried this on Crabbe in the corridor, with very entertaining results); a jinx that glued the tongue to the roof of the mouth (which he had twice used, to general applause, on an unsuspecting Argus Filch); and, perhaps the most useful of all, Muffliato, a spell that filled the ears of anyone nearby with an unidentifiable buzzing, so that lengthy conversations could be held in class without being overheard. The only person who did not find these charms amusing was Hermione, who maintained a rigidly disapproving expression throughout and refused to talk at all if Harry had used the Muffliato spell on anyone in the vicinity. (238)

So Harry has officially turned into “James Potter the Bully v.2”. He hexes both Crabbe and Filch, who did nothing to him, just for fun and because he doesn't like them. They are also weaker than him, and they had no chance to fairly fight back. He uses the Muffliato spell to talk for a while during class, when he should be working. And he wonders why Hermione is upset?! She has every right to be upset! Harry has gone from standing up to bullies to being one!

Quote:By the time they had got dressed, padding themselves out with several of Mrs. Weasley's hand- knitted sweaters and carrying cloaks, scarves, and gloves, Ron's shock had subsided and he had decided that Harry's new spell was highly amusing; so amusing, in fact, that he lost no time in regaling Hermione with the story as they sat down for breakfast. “... and then there was another flash of light and I landed on the bed again!” Ron grinned, helping himself to sausages.
Hermione had not cracked a smile during this anecdote, and now turned an expression of wintery disapproval upon Harry. “Was this spell, by any chance, another one from that potions book of yours?” she asked. Harry frowned at her. “Always jump to the worst conclusion, don't you?” “Was it?” “Well... yeah, it was, but so what?” “So you just decided to try out an unknown, handwritten incantation and see what would happen?” “Why does it matter if it's handwritten?” said Harry, preferring not to answer the rest of the question.
“Because it's probably not Ministry of Magic-approved,” said Hermione. “And also,” she added, as Harry and Ron rolled their eyes, “because I'm starting to think this Prince character was a bit dodgy.”
Both Harry and Ron shouted her down at once. “It was just a laugh!” said Ron, upending a ketchup bottle over his sausages. “Just a laugh, Hermione, that's all!” “Dangling people upside down by the ankle?” said Hermione. “Who puts their time and energy into making up spells like that?” “Fred and George,” said Ron, shrugging, “it's their kind of thing. And, er -”
“My dad,” said Harry. He had only just remembered. “What?” said Ron and Hermione together. “My dad used this spell,” said Harry. “I – Lupin told me.” This last part was not true; in fact, Harry had seen his father use the spell on Snape, but he had never told Ron and Hermione about that particular excursion into the Pensieve. Now, however, a wonderful possibility occurred to him. Could the Half-Blood Prince possibly be -?
“Maybe your dad did use it, Harry,” said Hermione, “but he's not the only one. We've seen a whole bunch of people use it, in case you've forgotten. Dangling people in the air. Making them float along, asleep, helpless.” Harry stared at her. With a sinking feeling, he too remembered the behavior of the Death Eaters at the Quidditch World Cup. Ron came to his aid. “That was different,” he said robustly. “They were abusing it, Harry and his dad were just having a laugh. You don't like the Prince, Hermione,” he added, pointing a sausage at her sternly, “because he's better than you at Potions -”
“It's got nothing to do with that!” said Hermione, her cheeks reddening. “I just think it's very irresponsible to start performing spells when you don't even know what they're for, and stop talking about 'the Prince' as if it's his title, I bet it's just a stupid nickname, and it doesn't seem as though he was a very nice person to me!” (239-41)

So. Here it is. The statement I've heard from fans – Hermione's upset because Harry's better than her at Potions.

This is a very important part, so let's take the time to talk about it.

Now, I'm a Snape fan. I personally don't agree with Hermione about him being dodgy, but I can see how she would get that impression from the book. However, I have no problem admitting that Snape is a Dark Wizard. The spells he created are mostly Dark. Now, Dark doesn't equal Evil. But that's a very complicated and touchy subject for the fandom, and it's not the point.

The point is everything Hermione says is correct. Harry had no idea what the spell would do. Harry knows she's right, that's why he doesn't want to answer the question. The Death Eaters did use this spell.

Ron steps in, robustly. Robust means “rough or crude; boisterous”. He's being loud and crude. I also disagree with everything he says. The Marauder's – and the Twin's – are bullies. The Marauder's used this spell so they could publicly sexually assault another student. They hang him upside-down so his pants(underwear) show and then threaten to take them off – we don't know if they go through with that threat, as Harry gets pulled out right when James was about to. This is not funny. This is not harmless. This is bullying.

As for Hermione, she knows that. She also blushes when Ron accuses her of only disliking the Prince because she's not the best at Potions anymore. To blush means “a reddening of the face, especially from modesty, embarrassment, or shame”. She's upset because that's not it at all. It's Ron's excuse. If that was why Hermione didn't like the book, we would have heard it before now, and she wouldn't have had all the true points she had.

Quote:“And incidentally,” said Hermione, after a few moments, “you need to be careful.” “For the last time,” said Harry, speaking in a slightly hoarse whisper after three-quarters of an hour of silence, “I am not giving back this book, I've learned more from the Half-Blood Prince than Snape or Slughorn have taught me in -” “I'm not talking about your stupid so-called Prince,” said Hermione, giving his book a nasty look as though it had been rude to her. (305)
“They didn't have the potions with them in the bathroom,” said Hermione scornfully. “They were just discussing tactics. As I doubt whether even the Half-Blood Prince” - she gave the book another nasty look - “could dream up an antidote for a dozen different love potions at once, I'd just invite someone to go with you, that'll stop all the others thinking they've still got a chance. It's tomorrow night, they're getting desperate.” (306)

Hermione's not afraid to show her disliking of the Prince's textbook.

Quote:“It's a shame that the Prince won't be able to help you much with this, Harry,” she said brightly as she straightened up. “You have to understand the principles involved this time. No shortcuts or cheats!” (375)
Hermione was now waving her wand enthusiastically over her cauldron. Unfortunately, they could not copy the spell she was doing because she was now so good at nonverbal incantations that she did not need to say the words aloud. Ernie Macmillan, however, was muttering, “Specialis Revelio!” over his cauldron, which sounded impressive, so Harry and Ron hastened to imitate him. It took Harry only five minutes to realize that his reputation as the best potion-maker in the class was crashing around his ears. Slughorn had peered hopefully into his cauldron on his first circuit of the dungeon, preparing to exclaim in delight as he usually did, and instead had withdrawn his head hastily, coughing, as the smell of bad eggs overwhelmed him. Hermione's expression could not have been any smugger; she had loathed being outperformed in every Potions class. She was now decanting the mysteriously separated ingredients of her poison into ten different crystal phials. More to avoid watching this irritating sight than anything else, Harry bent over the Half-Blood Prince's book and turned a few pages with unnecessary force. (376-7)

Or, Harry, she means what she says and she's glad you can't cheat your way through the assignment. That is what she's been saying all along – that you're cheating.

Quote:Hermione, who was sweaty-faced and had soot on her nose, looked livid. Her half-finished antidote, comprising fifty-two ingredients, including a chunk of her own hair, bubbled sluggishly behind Slughorn, who had eyes for nobody but Harry. “And you thought of a bezoar all by yourself, did you, Harry?” she asked through gritted teeth. (378)
The only person in the room looking angrier than Hermione was Malfoy, who, Harry was pleased to see, had spilled something that looked like cat-sick over himself. Before either of them could express their fury that Harry had come top of the class by not doing any work, the bell rang. (379)
Neither Ron nor Hermione wished him luck as they left; both looked rather annoyed. (379)
Neither Ron nor Hermione was at all sympathetic when Harry told them of this disastrous interview. Hermione was still seething at the way Harry had triumphed without doing the work properly. (380)

If I were Hermione, I would be furious too! Not only did Harry cheat, but he did absolutely no work! Hermione had done what looks like to be the best antidote there, put in a lot of work, and she got no credit because Slughorn was focusing on Harry. Not cool.

Quote:Harry wracked his brains over the next week as to how he was to persuade Slughorn to hand over the true memory, but nothing in the nature of a brain wave occurred and he was reduced to doing what he did increasingly these days when at a loss: poring over his Potions book, hoping that the Prince would have scribbled something useful in a margin, as he had done so many times before.
“You won't find anything in there,” said Hermione firmly, late on Sunday evening. “Don't start, Hermione,” said Harry. “If it hadn't been for the Prince, Ron wouldn't be sitting here right now.”
“He would if you'd just listened to Snape in our first year,” said Hermione dismissively. Harry ignored her. He had just found an incantation (“Sectumsempra!”) scrawled in a margin above the intriguing words “For Enemies,” and was itching to try it out, but thought it best not to in front of Hermione. Instead, he surreptitiously folded down the corner of the page. (447-8)

Hermione is right – Snape mentioned it in their first class. Harry also remembers what Snape had said when he sees the note in the book (377), so his statement isn't entirely correct. Hermione is also right that there is nothing in the Prince's book to help him directly with Slughorn (the only way it helps is in a roundabout way as Harry uses the Luck potion that he won thanks to the Prince).

Quote:“I won't say 'I told you so,'” said Hermione, an hour later in the common room. “Leave it, Hermione,” said Ron angrily. Harry had never made it to dinner; he had no appetite at all. He had just finished telling Ron, Hermione, and Ginny what had happened, not that there seemed to have been much need. The news had traveled very fast: Apparently Moaning Myrtle had taken it upon herself to pop up in every bathroom in the castle to tell the story; Malfoy had already been visited in the hospital wing by Pansy Parkinson, who had lost no time in vilifying Harry far and wide, and Snape had told the staff precisely what had happened. Harry had already been called out of the common room to endure fifteen highly unpleasant minutes in the company of Professor McGonagall, who had told him he was lucky not to have been expelled and that she supported wholeheartedly Snape's punishment of detention every Saturday until the end of term.
“I told you there was something wrong with that Prince person,” Hermione said, evidently unable to stop herself. “And I was right, wasn't I?” “No, I don't think you were,” said Harry stubbornly. He was having a bad enough time without Hermione lecturing him; the looks on the Gryffindor team's faces when he had told them he would not be able to play on Saturday had been the worst punishment of all. He could feel Ginny's eyes on him now but did not meet them; he did not want to see disappointment or anger there. He had just told her that she would be playing Seeker on Saturday and that Dean would be rejoining the team as Chaser in her place. Perhaps, if they won, Ginny and Dean would make up during the post-match euphoria... The thought went through Harry like an icy knife...
“Harry,” said Hermione, “how can you still stick up for that book when that spell -” “Will you stop harping on about the book!” snapped Harry. “The Prince only copied it out! It's not like he was advising anyone to use it! For all we know, he was making a note of something that had been used against him!”
“I don't believe this,” said Hermione. “You're actually defending -” “I'm not defending what I did!” said Harry quickly. “I wish I hadn't done it, and not just because I've got about a dozen detentions. You know I wouldn't have used a spell like that, not even on Malfoy, but you can't blame the Prince, he hadn't 'try this out, it's really good' – he was just making notes for himself, wasn't he, not for anyone else...”
“Are you telling me,” said Hermione, “that you're going to go back -?”
“And get the book? Yeah, I am,” said Harry forcefully. “Listen, without the Prince I'd never have won the Felix Felicis, I'd never have known how to save Ron from poisoning, I'd never have -” “- got a reputation for Potions brilliance you don't deserve,” said Hermione nastily.
“Give it a rest, Hermione!” said Ginny, and Harry was so amazed, so grateful, he looked up. “By the sound of it, Malfoy was trying to use an Unforgivable Curse, you should be glad Harry had something good up his sleeve!”
“Well, of course I'm glad Harry wasn't cursed!” said Hermione, clearly stung. “But you can't call that Sectumsempra spell good, Ginny, look where it's landed him! And I'd have thought, seeing what this has done to your chances in the match -”
“Oh, don't start acting as though you understand Quidditch,” snapped Ginny,” you'll only embarrass yourself.” (528-30)
and: By Saturday morning, whatever he might have told Hermione, Harry would have gladly exchanged all the Felix Felicis in the world to be walking down to the Quidditch pitch with Ron, Ginny, and the others. (531)

Apparently Harry is not feeling truly guilty about his actions, as he keeps focusing on how horrible it is to not be playing in the Quidditch final. He says he “wishes he hadn't done it”, not that he feels bad for doing it, or that he feels awful over using it. Those are very subtle but different statements. He then tries to excuse his behavior, behavior he knows was wrong, as he tells Hermione she wasn't right 'stubbornly'. Stubborn means “having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, esp. in spite of good arguments or reasons”.

We know that Hermione is right. We also see her point about using a spell you know nothing about – the passage we looked at before this one shows Harry “itching to try it out”. Harry got lucky the first time, this time he didn't.

Harry says “you know I wouldn't have used a spell like that, not even on Malfoy”. But do we, Harry? You've been using other spells to bully people you don't like all year. Even now, you're trying to convince us that the Prince never meant for anyone to use it, he just wrote it down! You're in the wrong, Harry, and you obviously can't accept that.

Harry is also wrong about how without the Prince he would never have been able to save Ron, we talked about that above. And I don't think Hermione cares about the prizes Harry got by cheating, even if it did help him get the memory from Slughorn.

All of this brings us to Ginny, and her attack on Hermione. Ginny is completely out of line here. She calls Sectumsempra “something good”, like it's a cool new spell. It's not. It does not matter what curse Draco was going to use, two wrongs do not make a right. And she accuses Hermione of wanting Harry to be cursed, which we know is the last thing Hermione would ever want! Hermione is very hurt by that statement, as she is “clearly stung”. To sting emotionally means “to cause mental or moral anguish”. She's very upset that Ginny could actually think that. She doesn't know where this attack is coming from either, as Ginny is supposed to be her best female friend. So, confused and hurt, she replies that “of course” she didn't want Harry to get hurt, but that Ginny can't excuse that spell. She then, knowing how much Quidditch means to Ginny, says she thought the Ginny would be upset over Harry not playing, like the rest of the team. Ginny then really insults her by telling her she knows nothing about Quidditch, and that she shouldn't pretend to.

Frankly, if I were Hermione and my friends were being that horrible to me, I'd probably run away crying. Hermione did nothing to Ginny, and Ginny just goes after her. It's horrible, and it doesn't show Harry or Ginny in a good light.

Quote:“The so-called Half-Blood Prince.” “Oh, not this again,” he groaned. “Will you please drop it?” He had not dared to return to the Room of Requirement to retrieve his book, and his performance in Potions was suffering accordingly (thought Slughorn, who approved of Ginny, had jocularly attributed this to Harry being lovesick). But Harry was sure that Snape had not yet given up hope of laying hands on the Prince's book, and was determined to leave it where it was while Snape remained on the lookout.
“I'm not dropping it,” said Hermione firmly, “until you've heard me out. Now, I've been trying to find out a bit about who might make a hobby of inventing Dark spells -” “He didn't make a hobby of it -”
“He, he – who says it's a he?” “We've been through this,” said Harry crossly. “Prince, Hermione, Prince!” “Right!” said Hermione, red patches blazing in her cheeks as she pulled a very old piece of newsprint out of her pocket and slammed it down on the table in front of Harry. “Look at that! Look at the picture!” Harry picked up the crumbling piece of paper and stared at the moving photograph, yellowed with age; Ron leaned over for a look too. The picture showed a skinny girl of around fifteen. She was not pretty; she looked simultaneously cross and sullen, with heavy brows and a long, pallid face. Underneath the photograph was the caption: EILEEN PRINCE, CAPTAIN OF THE HOGWARTS GOBSTONES TEAM.
“So?” said Harry, scanning the short news item to which the picture belonged; it was a rather dull story about interschool competitions. “Her name was Eileen Prince. Prince, Harry.” They looked at each other, and Harry realized what Hermione was trying to say. He burst out laughing. “No way.” “What?” “You think she was the Half-Blood...? Oh, come on.” “Well, why not? Harry, there aren't any real princes in the Wizarding world! It's either a nickname, a made-up title somebody's given themselves, or it could be their actual name, couldn't it? No, listen! If, say, her father was a wizard whose surname was Prince, and her mother was a Muggle, then that would make her a 'half-blood Prince'!” “Yeah, very ingenious, Hermione...” “But it would! Maybe she was proud of being half a Prince!” “Listen, Hermione, I can tell it's not a girl. I can just tell.”
“The truth is that you don't think a girl would have been clever enough,” said Hermione angrily.
“How can I have hung around with you for five years and not think girls are clever?” said Harry, stung by this. “It's the way he writes, I just know the Prince was a bloke, I can tell. This girl hasn't got anything to do with it. Where did you get this anyway?” “The library,” said Hermione predictably. “There's a whole collection of old Prophets up there. Well, I'm going to find out more about Eileen Prince if I can.”
“Enjoy yourself,” said Harry irritably. “I will,” said Hermione. “And the first place I'll look,” she shot at him, as she reached the portrait hole, “is records of old Potions awards!” Harry scowled after her for a moment, then continued his contemplation of the darkening sky.
“She's just never got over you outperforming her in Potions,” said Ron, returning to his copy of A Thousand Magical Herbs and Fungi. “You don't think I'm mad, wanting that book back, do you?” “'Course not,” said Ron robustly. “He was a genius, the Prince. Anyway... without his bezoar tip...” He drew his finger significantly across his throat. “I wouldn't be here to discuss it, would I? I mean, I'm not saying that spell you used on Malfoy was great -”
“Nor am I,” said Harry quickly. “But he healed all right, didn't he? Back on his feet in no time.” “Yeah,” said Harry; this was perfectly true, although his conscience squirmed slightly all the same. “Thanks to Snape...” (537-9)

A few things about this scene.

First, we see that Hermione has been doing a lot of research on a troubling topic – that is very In Character for her. Harry might not think that the Prince is a problem, but she does, and she's going to do everything she can to figure it out.

Second, we see that Harry is slightly remorseful about using that spell on Draco. It's not enough, but it's better than nothing.

Third, Ron once again talks “robustly” and I once again disagree with everything he says. Hermione's not upset because she's not the best, and we've gone over the proof to back that up; just like we've gone over the fact that Harry didn't need the Prince's book for the Bezoar. He's also dismissing and excusing what Harry did to Draco, which is not alright. It does not matter how long it took Draco to heal. Harry should not have used that spell. End of discussion.

Of course, Ginny, Ron, and Harry disagree with me and Hermione on that.

Quote:“Well, it's just that I was sort of right about the Half-Blood Prince business,” she said tentatively. “D'you have to rub it in, Hermione? How d'you think I feel about that now?” “No – no – Harry, I didn't mean that!” she said hastily, looking around to check that they were not being overheard. “It's just that I was right about Eileen Prince once owning the book. You see... she was Snape's mother!”
“I thought she wasn't much of a looker,” said Ron. Hermione ignored him. “I was going through the rest of the old Prophets and there was a tiny announcement about Eileen Prince marrying a man called Tobias Snape, and then later an announcement saying that she'd given birth to a -”
“- murderer,” spat Harry. “Well... yes,” said Hermione. “So... I was sort of right. Snape must have been proud of being 'half a Prince,' you see? Tobias Snape was a Muggle from what it said in the Prophet.” (637)

We see that Hermione was partly right and that she did do more research on the Prince. I didn't type out all of their conversation on Snape and his book, only this part, because this is the only part with Hermione providing new information.
06-07-2017 08:34 PM
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RE: Hermione
Wow, I have no idea how your opinion of characters such as the Marauders, Fred and George and Ginny has anything to do with what I said.

I have a complete different view of the discussion between Ginny and Hermione. In my opinion Hermione was out of line there and I can easily see where does Ginny comes from.

“Give it a rest, Hermione!” said Ginny, and Harry was so amazed, so grateful, he looked up. “By the sound of it, Malfoy was trying to use an Unforgivable Curse, you should be glad Harry had something good up his sleeve!”

That statement is pretty clear and not up to interpretation, from what Ginny knows and I love the way she worded it -by the sound of it- sectumsempra allowed Harry to defend himself against that wannabe death eater. Draco was about to use one of the unforgivable curse on Harry and he escaped that fate thanks to that deadly curse. Ginny showed that she acknowledged there was a war outside and sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. Ginny cared more about Harry's life than the life of young man associated with mass murderers who tried to cursed Harry badly.

Harry deserved a harder punishement than what he got ? Right, however Draco could have been send (and actually deserved) at Azkaban for the rest of his life for what he attempted to do to Harry. So stop trying to imput the bad only one one side, especially when Harry only defended himself.

Hermione is there pretending to preach moral to Harry so he will get ride of that book in spite of the context of the events. And all of it because of the personal grudge she helds against the Prince due to fact it gets Harry more praises. In my opinion she was being completely out of line for selfish reason.

And when she gets called on it, she poorly tried to manipulate Ginny with the Quidditch thing while she obviously didn't care about only to have her at her side to keep harassing Harry over the book. Ginny wasn't stupid and mocked her attempt.
06-16-2017 11:28 PM
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