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leicestermercury.co.uk: "Richard III ballot: Requests for invitations to reinterment come in from as far-afield as Japan, Brazil and Saudi Arabia" (15/12/2014)
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Richar...story.html

leicestermercury.co.uk: "Richard III: Ballot for invitations to the reinterment closes" (31/12/2014)
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Richar...story.html

Quote:The ballot for invitations for the reburial of King Richard III has closed with more than 13,500 people applying for a seat.

The deadline for entries closed at midday today with applications flooding in from all over the world.

Men, women and children from as far as Afghanistan, Benin, in West Africa, and New Zealand will now be waiting with anticipation to hear whether they will be offered a place at Leicester Cathedral for the event next March.

The 600 randomly selected people will receive their invitations by the end of January. (...)

The invitations will be divided across three services, with 200 available for each.

Half of the 600 seats will go to applicants from Leicestershire and Rutland.

It means 200 people will be invited to the main reinterment service on Thursday, March 26, when the coffin is lowered into the ground and sealed in its tomb.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, will conduct the service, and it will also be broadcast by Channel 4.

The other two services will take place at the cathedral during a week of events which runs from Sunday, March 22, until Friday, March 27.


In total, the Dean of Leicester will officially invite 1,800 guests to the three services, including members of the Royal Family, known descendants of Richard and dignitaries.

To date, the only confirmed royal is the Duke of Gloucester – the patron of the cathedral’s Richard III Fund-raising Appeal.

leicestermercury.co.uk: "Two groups of Ricardians united at service to celebrate the king's life" (29/12/2014)
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/8203-g...story.html

Quote:Two groups of Ricardians who traded insults in a fight over the remains of Richard III will be united for the first time at a service to celebrate the king’s life.

The decision, made in 2012, to rebury the former monarch in Leicester caused a split in the Richard III Society – with some members campaigning for the remains to be reburied in York and others who believed the former monarch should stay in the city where he was discovered. (...)

In September, the society’s chairman, Dr Phil Stone, pleaded with both sides to remain civil. Now, Leicester Cathedral hopes to bring the factions together when it hosts a service exclusively for members in the week leading up to the reinterment.

Dr Stone said: “The society has invited members worldwide to join in its service on Monday, March 23, and it is hoped all, regardless of their personal preferences for where King Richard should be buried, will join us in celebrating his life and be united as he is reinterred with all the honour and dignity he deserves.”

Leicester Cathedral had also been the target of Yorkist jibes, with northern campaigners branding the building “poxy”.

Canon missioner at the cathedral, the Rev Pete Hobson, said: “We realise not all members of the society wished the reburial to be in Leicester, but we’re very pleased to be able to offer the hospitality of the cathedral to the society as a whole.” (...)

leicestermercury.co.uk: "Leicestershire band choose Richard III theme for national competition entry" (01/01/2015)
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leices...story.html

leicestermercury.co.uk: "Geneaologist discovers direct link between actor Benedict Cumberbatch and Richard III" (03/01/2015)
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Actor-...story.html

Quote:A geneaologist has discovered a direct link between English actor Benedict Cumberbatch and the man he will portray in the upcoming drama The Hollow Crown - King Richard III.

University of Leicester Professor Kevin Schurer, who was instrumental in proving the identity of Richard III by tracking down his modern day relations, has now uncovered a link between Cumberbatch and the king - and shown them to be third cousins, 16 times removed.

It is estimated that between one million and 17 million people in the UK are related, in someway, to the former Plantagenet monarch.

However, Prof Schurer has discovered that the line of descent Cumberbatch shares with Richard III is much more direct.

He said: “He is more direct because he is a third cousin. Most other relatives would be much lower order cousins.

“I think the Queen would be a third cousin several times removed as well.”

The English actor, known for his role as Sherlock Holmes opposite Martin Freeman, will play Richard III in the BBC Two drama series. (...)

Um... as far as I know, it was John Ashdown-Hill who tracked down Joy Ibsen as a relative of Richard III a few years before his remains were discovered under the car park. Leicester University came into it only later.

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theguardian.com: "Richard III gets a lavish send-off… at last" (08703/2015)

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/...ff-at-last

Quote:Later this month, 530 years after he was killed at the Battle of Bosworth Field, Richard III will finally get a decent burial at Leicester Cathedral, watched by the world’s media. Elizabeth Day goes behind the scenes and meets those involved (...)

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Wow, and it has been how many years since "The Daughter of Time" came out?



« L'homme n'est qu'un roseau, le plus faible de la nature, mais c'est un roseau *pensant*. Il ne faut pas que l'univers entier s'arme pour l'écraser; une vapeur, une goutte d'eau suffit pour le tuer. Mais quand l'univers l'écraserait, l'homme serait encore plus noble que ce qui le tue, parce qu'il sait qu'il meurt et l'avantage que l'univers a sur lui; l'univers n'en sait rien. »

( “Man is but a reed, the most feeble thing in nature; but he is a *thinking* reed. The entire universe need not arm itself to crush him: a vapour, a drop of water suffices to kill him. But, if the universe were to crush him, man would still be more noble than that which killed him, because he knows that he dies and the advantage which the universe has over him; the universe knows nothing of this.” )

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“如果你此生有幸,可以得到他的一个承诺。”

( “If you are truly blessed in this life, you might get a promise out of him.” )

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New and additional links (thanks to Titania for the heads-up!):

bbc.com: "Richard III: More than 5,000 people visit Leicester Cathedral coffin on first day" (23/03/2015)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leice...e-32014296

Quote:More than 5,000 people have visited Leicester Cathedral to view Richard III's coffin on the first day.

The last Plantagenet king's remains arrived after a cortege through Leicestershire and there were long queues on Monday with a four hour wait.

The king's skeleton was found under a car park in 2012.

A requiem mass has also taken place at Holy Cross Church in Leicester, led by Cardinal Vincent Nichols, leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England.

The reburial ceremony will be held on Thursday, led by the Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby.

Further viewing times are Tuesday 09:00-12:30 / 14:00-17:00 / 19:15-21:00 and Wednesday 09:00-12:30. (...)

bbc.com: "Richard III: Leicester welcomes king's remains" (22/03/2015)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leice...e-31990721

bbc.com: "Richard III: Farewell to the king" (updates from 22/03/2015; key points and key video)
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-...e-31906058

bbc.com: "Fotheringhay Castle soil to be buried with Richard III" (20/03/2015)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-north...e-31965323

Quote:Soil from the village where Richard III was born will be placed alongside his remains when he is reburied.

The last Plantagenet king was born at Fotheringhay Castle, Northamptonshire, and members of his family were buried at the local parish church.

Soil from the castle grounds and two other sites will be laid around his coffin by Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby on 26 March. (...)

bbc.com: "Question mark king: Richard III quiz" (23/03/2015)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leice...e-31947405

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theguardian.com: "Richard III funeral - live updates" (26/03/2015)

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/...ve-updates

Quote: Last Plantagenet king reburied more than 500 years after death
Congregation told they are not there to judge him
Prayers said for all victims of War of the Roses
Bishop warns of danger of tribal behaviour
Benedict Cumberbatch reads poem by Carol Ann Duffy
In Leicester for the service? Share your photos via GuardianWitness (...)

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theguardian.com: "King Richard III's re-interment carries pomp and grandeur of state funeral" (26/03/2015)
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/...te-funeral

Quote:Royalty, military and academic elite - and even Benedict Cumberbatch – fill pews of Leicester Cathedral to lay king’s bones to rest

It was not a funeral, the Dean of Leicester, David Monteith, reminded the congregation of his cathedral, which had been transformed into a grove of foliage and white roses – and the reminder about Richard III was very much needed.


Every pew was filled with guests in military uniforms, black or navy suits, academic gowns, decorations and honours, chains of office, silver white boar badges, white rose brooches and fabulous hats.

The guests included the Duke of Gloucester, Sophie Countess of Wessex, and the Duke of Norfolk, whose responsibilities include royal funerals. The music included a fanfare and new setting of the national anthem by the master of the Queen’s music, Judith Weir. The Oscar-nominated actor Benedict Cumberbatch left his place beside fellow actor Robert Lindsay – respectively the next to tackle the role and a notable former interpreter of Shakespeare’s Richard III – to read a searing new poem by the laureate, Carol Ann Duffy.

Two yeoman warders in their medieval tunics, who had come from London with the Constable of the Tower of London, Lord Dannatt, guarded the southern door of the cathedral, as if the Lancastrians might try to break in at any moment.

As six army veterans carried the coffin to its new resting place, Wendy Duldig, the 17th great niece of Richard III, and Philipa Langley, who launched the hunt for his remains, could be seen blinking back tears, and Richard Buckley, leader of the archaeology team, swallowed hard. And with the archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, censing and sprinkling holy water over the coffin, without Monteith’s reminder it might have looked like the grandest state funeral in living memory.

The opening address was not by a priest but by the historian Professor Gordon Campbell, whose butterscotch voice has won him the magnificent title of public orator of the University of Leicester. “Now we must return his bones to the earth,” he said. “We have assembled today in a spirit of reconciliation, not to argue whether Richard was a good king, or even a good man.”

In that spirit, the guests included “the Bosworth Peers” who were listed as “supporters of the House of York”, and “supporters of the House of Lancaster”
. That latter group included Edward Stanley, 19th Earl of Derby, descendant of Thomas Stanley, who went to the battle as a supporter of Richard, loitered on the edges until he saw which way the wind was blowing, and then threw his forces in on Henry Tudor’s side. There were probably a few people in the church wearing white boar badges who would have liked a little chat with him about the events of that day.

The service included a hymn by GK Chesterton, a devout Roman Catholic best known as the creator of the Catholic priest and detective Father Brown, set to music by Ralph Vaughan Williams.

Lancastrians, Yorkists and others in the congregation agreed unanimously, it had been a magnificent funeral. Or rather re-interment.

“It was absolutely wonderful, the cathedral has done Leicester and Leicestershire proud,” Carl Vivian, a local man who had got closer to the remains of the king than almost anyone else in the cathedral. As the university videographer and photographer, his unforgettable images of the fragile bones were beamed around the world, lit so they glowed like medieval ivories.

Vivian hadn’t actually managed to get a ticket for the service, but managed to sneak in at the back just as the coffin was being carried to the grave, and was still overwhelmed by the emotion of the moment.

As the service ended, the crowds opposite the cathedral, many of whom had been in rain-soaked place since 8am, were still gathered 10-deep.

The royals and other VIPs marched off to a grand lunch in the guildhall, and the lesser mortals scattered to the nearby pubs, cafes and restaurants, whose owners have also been giving devout thanks for the return of a king.

The cathedral doors were closed and locked, and behind them the most delicate part of the whole day began: the anxious lifting into place of the great slab of Swaledale stone, weighing more than 2.3 tonnes, taken from a quarry on land once owned by Richard, which will seal his tomb for ever.

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I can't believe that they're actually doing this... Leicester cathedral wants to stage Shakespeare's 'Richard III' (IMHO historically inaccurate, pro-Tudor-biased and plainly slanderous, in spite of its literary merits) in the cathedral in July. In the very place where the actual Richard III was re-interred not so long ago. Angry

http://www.richardiii.net/ ("Latest news: Richard III in Leicester cathedral")

Quote:Latest News

Richard III play in Leicester cathedral

Contrary to reported quotes in the media, the Richard III Society does not support the performance of Shakespeare's play 'Richard III' due to take place in Leicester Cathedral in July.

It is both insensitive and disrespectful to stage a play that denigrates Richard III, an anointed king of England, in the very place where he was re-buried with 'dignity and honour' only two years ago.

Many people, and not just members of the Richard III Society, will be perplexed and disheartened at the prospect of this particular play being performed in the cathedral. We will make our feelings known to the cathedral authorities and will ask that their decision be reversed so that 'dignity and honour' can prevail.

The Executive Committee
Richard III Society

https://www.change.org/p/leicester-cathe...ion-no_msg

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PETITION UPDATE:
Petition delivered (25 June 2017), but it's still possible to add your signature:

Quote:25 Jun 2017 — Thank you all for your support - we have handed in the petition today (Sunday 25th June) but you and your friends can still carry on signing - we will send any extras on later! We were filmed by BBC East Midlands and should also be on BBC Radio Leicester and BBC online East Midlands as well as the Leicester Mercury. (...)

https://www.change.org/p/leicester-cathe...u/20650663

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PETITION UPDATE:

The Dean's Reply
https://www.change.org/p/leicester-cathe...u/20727619

Quote:Jul 4, 2017 — Here is the letter we received from the Dean in reply to the petition we delivered. We think the Dean's reasons for going ahead are unconvincing and mostly don't address our concerns. What do you think? If you disagree with his reply, please write to him yourselves. We won't give up until it is too late! (...)

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"Historian Jason Goetz: Reclaiming Our History to Mend Our Culture"
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2260016-...r-culture/

Quote:Amid a polarizing political environment, Goetz worries that what our youth are learning in history and civics classes—often only dates or narratives that scratch the surface—is insufficient. Yet our democracy requires educated voters who are able to discriminate between truth and fiction, which a deeper understanding of history would provide. (...)

To see both sides, the Great Books can become tools for understanding history through comparing the accounts with the responses to these texts by philosophers or by other historians, Goetz said. Students can then ferret out the truth and engage in critical thinking, sharpening their minds and enabling them to discriminate between truth and lies.

For example, students may read Shakespeare’s historical drama “Richard III” and come away believing that the king was a despicable tyrant who killed his two young nephews, forced himself on the daughter of his brother and predecessor Edward, and otherwise wormed or slaughtered his way to power. History is slanted in the favor of Henry VII, his successor, typically represented as a noble usurper.(...)

Thus, Goetz not only provides a more balanced portrayal of Richard III, but also demonstrates how history can be slanted—through misattribution of facts, misrepresentation, misuse of language, deliberate vagueness, and so on—by those in the process of making it.

In a similar way, he explores many complex historical events, highlighting factual inconsistencies in order to arrive at reasonable conclusions—including, on occasion, the conclusion that there are no certain answers. By seeing and then utilizing the same measures to approach what our political and intellectual leaders say, students will be able to see the false claims unfolding today, and revisit history with open eyes. (...)

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"Richard III Society" has posted the following in Facebook today:

Quote:RICHARD III SOCIETY
2 hrs ·

An open letter to the Dean of Leicester by Philippa Langley has appeared in today's Leicester Mercury. The text of the letter is as follows

Dear Very Revd David Monteith

In reply to your published response to the recent petition opposing the performance of Shakespeare’s ‘Richard III’ in Leicester Cathedral (Leicester Mercury 2 July 2017), I now wish to make the following points, which, for whatever reason, you are apparently choosing to ignore:

In March 2015, you reburied King Richard III of England with all ‘dignity and honour’, in accordance with the cathedral’s publicly stated position. As part of the reburial’s legal procedures, on Sunday 22 March 2015, before the remains of King Richard were placed in your care, the Ministry of Justice licence was handed to you by the University of Leicester Archaeological Services (ULAS). As you know, this licence was initially issued to ULAS, who had been commissioned to undertake the digging work, and which specified that the remains shall be kept ‘safely, privately and decently’. This was a public obligation, undertaken by you on behalf of Leicester Cathedral.

Since receiving into your care both the licence and the king’s remains, you have now announced your plans for two performances of Shakespeare’s ‘Richard III’ to take place inside Leicester Cathedral, beside the king’s grave, on the 19th and 20th July. The play, as you are aware, was originally advertised and promoted with the subtitle ‘Something Wicked This Way Limps’. May I now respectfully reiterate that we have never requested the cancellation of the performances of the play, simply that you consider an alternative and more appropriate venue.

As you will recall, the clearly stated ethos of the Looking For Richard Project was to retrieve the remains of the last Plantagenet monarch in order to provide the respect and human dignity so conspicuously denied in 1485 when King Richard was killed on the field of battle. This ethos, which followed that of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, was at the heart of the project delivered to Leicester. It was enshrined in my local agreements with the authorities in Leicester, and within the project’s Reburial Document. As you will also recall, the Reburial Document received the full backing and support of the land owner, Leicester City Council, who gave permission to undertake the archaeological dig, and the support of my contractor, the University of Leicester Archaeological Services, whom I commissioned to undertake the digging work.

In 2011, the Reburial Document was given to the Ministry of Justice, the Royal Coroner, the office of Her Majesty the Queen at Buckingham Palace, the office of His Royal Highness the Duke of Gloucester at Kensington Palace, and the Very Revd Vivienne Faull, Dean of Leicester Cathedral. The Reburial Document followed the same principles and procedures as the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, and duly received the further approval of the Ministry of Justice, the Royal Coroner, the office of HRH The Duke of Gloucester, and the blessing of Her Majesty The Queen. The Very Revd Vivienne Faull requested two minor amendments and with these in place confirmed the Reburial Document as the blueprint for honourable reburial and safe custody, should the king be found. On this basis, we finally cut the tarmac on August 25 2012.

With the above in mind, we now wish you to fully comprehend our unequivocally stated position. The staging of Shakespeare’s defamatory play beside the king’s grave is not an appropriate or Christian act, and directly contravenes not only your own commitment to rebury the king with ‘dignity and honour’, but also your public acceptance to keep the remains ‘safely, privately and decently’.

Richard III was an anointed king of England and a former Head of State who fell in battle, and these performances constitute a breach, not only of the trust placed in the Cathedral and the great city of Leicester and its people, but also of the Ministry of Justice licence accepted by you. It is also important for you to consider whether Westminster Abbey would ever consider staging a performance of ‘Oh What a Lovely War’, for example, beside the grave of the Unknown Warrior.

We also note that in relation to the petition which was handed to one of your representatives, you state ‘some such as you have voiced concern, many others welcome our decision.’ However, it is apparent from social media that the majority of the feedback you received on the Leicester Cathedral website was against the performance, with many commentators asking you to reconsider the venue. It is a shame that you felt the need to remove these comments and indeed then ban further postings on this subject which was seen as a move to prevent further consensus of opinion proving that your decision to hold the play within the Cathedral was ill-considered. There will always be those who will buy tickets to performances just because they are controversial. This is clearly just such a performance and would have been recognised as such long before the event was actually marketed.

Whilst we appreciate that Leicester Cathedral is increasingly concerned with promotional activities which have both cultural and commercial considerations, all we ask is that an alternative venue is urgently arranged. This will allow the cathedral to continue to hold annual Remembrance Day services, honouring those who have fought and fallen in battle, without appearing completely hypocritical.

We therefore request an urgent reconsideration of the venue of these performances so that King Richard may continue to receive the dignity and honour afforded all our fallen in battle.
The precious trust placed in your hands and in the great city of Leicester and its people demands nothing less.

Yours sincerely

Philippa Langley MBE
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"Historian: Why Leicester Cathedral needs to urgently rethink its plan to stage Richard III play"
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/histor...story.html

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Report on the staged play:

https://www.change.org/p/leicester-cathe...u/20883850

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I've just come across this intriguing blog post on "murrey and blue" (Richard III's colours):

"The Welsh Rebellion that Henry VII Lost to Richard III"
https://murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2015...chard-iii/

Quote:While reading Michael K. Jones’ dry, if detailed, study of the life of Margaret Beaufort[1], I was amazed to learn about a small but significant Welsh rebellion conducted against Henry VII and his hagiographic mummy that I’ve never heard mentioned anywhere else.

It appears that Henry and Margaret were thwarted on at least one occasion, and not just by pesky York which, after all, could only be expected to rise up against the Welsh usurper because of the duke of Gloucester’s (aka Richard III) good lordship to York and their loyalty to him, no matter he was dead. It also appears that some Welshmen were prepared to cast aside military tactics in favor of thumping the king and his mummy where they knew it would hurt the most – and in such a way that John de Vere (13th earl of Oxford) couldn’t run in and save Henry’s visually disabled, skinny derrière as de Vere did at the Battle of Redemore (aka Bosworth) and the Battle of Stoke.

This, kiddies, is the Brecon Rebellion I’ve never heard mentioned in any “We loves us the Tudorz” documentary — and pray let it be remembered that author who revealed it is not a Richard III devotee, yet he still documented this cold, unfriendly historical fact (...)

The paperwork transferring Edward Stafford’s lands may have been done by Henry’s clerks in August 1486, but Henry retroactively declared his Mummy had the right to revenues reaching back to September 1485.

Given that Henry had the unmitigated gall to date his reign from the day before the battle of Redemore, I’m sure he saw no problem backdating his mother’s grant. She was, after all, working as his agent (that is, his collection agency) as well as in her own interests. So why not let a stroke of the royal quill create an instantaneous 13-month retrospective profit for both their coffers? It’s nothing personal and certainly not greedy; it’s just good business – at least from the crown’s point of view. (...)

The English estates cooperated and paid up. The Welsh estates did not.

Why not? As Michael Jones puts it: “In Brecon, Lady Margaret’s authority was much weaker than in the English lordships,” and, “Margaret’s officers had massive problems in trying to collect revenue.”

Whatever could have been the problem? Oh, you know…the usual general administration difficulties in the Welsh marches. Every king had ‘em, didn’t they?

It’s strange that England cooperated, but Wales did not, especially since Margaret did a marvelous job of changing the accounting system for her English estates. She centralized all the receipts and had the final say on fees and wages. She appointed her own receiver-general (and changed him frequently), slashed local costs, and wasn’t afraid to eliminate whole offices — like the bailiff feodary (i.e., feudal vassal) of Staffordshire. So if administrative difficulties had been the only ones she encountered in Wales, she should have had no problem in solving those difficulties.

Alas, the Welsh of Brecon had other ideas. Other loyalties. And they weren’t about to let the usurping “Tudor’s” Welsh pretences, or his pushy mother, have their way.

You see, the more serious problem that Henry and Margaret faced was that Brecon had previously supported Richard III.

Way back in October 1483, Brecon locals had made clear their fury and contempt after Henry Stafford (the same 2nd duke of Buckingham whom Richard III subsequently beheaded) threw in with the supporters of Henry “Tudor” (which supporters included his mummy). At that time, the Welsh attacked and sacked Buckingham’s castle of Brecon. Afterward, Richard rewarded Welsh loyalty by giving back Brecon farms and reducing their rents.

So the Welsh of Brecon liked Richard III, and they liked his rewards. As a consequence, and as Jones understates it, “There was as a result considerable unrest early in the reign of Henry VII.” (...)

Jones writes that “amidst the disorder and uncertainty, Margaret’s officers faced massive problems trying to collect revenue,” but it sounds like the Welsh were anything but disorderly in their intentions or uncertain in their actions. To put it simply, they liked the king they’d had before, and they weren’t about to let the Tydder raise their rents after Richard III had lowered them. Or, as a contemporary source says, “No man would take an increment above the old rent or would pay it.”[3]

Henry and his mummy had other troubles with Brecon as well:

* No man wanted the office for the “great farm.”

* Margaret couldn’t get any income from the agistment (i.e., the feeding or pasturing of livestock for a fee) because Richard had also granted the Welsh free passage to the forest.

* The drastic drop in overall receipts wasn’t a one-year wonder; it was an ongoing financial rebellion on the part of Brecon’s Welsh for years.

Tenants usually paid a fee to be excused from the duty of attending great sessions in Brecon. In 1488, those receipts dropped from 2060 marks to 760. So to spite the Tydder, the tenants preferred to attend the sessions rather than pay to not attend them.

Eight years later in 1496, the “I want to be excused from the sessions” fee raked in 1100 marks for Margaret. But this was still less than half the total she anticipated, and her son took 800 marks of it into his coffer.

What about the matter of the rents? Did Margaret raise them over time? Did the Welsh end up paying what the crown demanded?

No.

A measly £300 was the total income in 1494 from the lordship of Brecon — little more than a third of its actual value. (...)

The Brecon Welsh refused to let Henry and Margaret bleed them as they did others. We don’t know the financial-battle tactics the Welsh used. We only know that the king and his mummy had no choice but to write off Brecon’s one-year deficit of £2095.[4] What, I wonder, did they have to write off for the other years, past and future?

The Welshmen of Brecon knew their true value – Richard (III) had told them. They rebelled against Henry VII. And they won.


EDIT: Another interesting blog post from the same site, about Richard III's "Court of Requests" :

"The Court of Requests and Thomas Seckford"
https://murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2018...-seckford/

Quote:In 1484, King Richard III created a minor equity court to deal with minor disputes in equity; these are disputes where the harshness of common law would be acknowledged by those appointed by the Crown. Equity courts were mostly seen as the Lord Chancellor’s remit, and the split of the Chancery Courts from the Curia Regis happened in the mid-fourteenth century. By the time of King Richard III, the Chancery Court had become backlogged from cases pleading the harshness of the common law, and the Court of Requests was no doubt and attempt to remove minor equity cases from the backlog and free up court time – Richard’s attempt at reducing bureaucracy and better administration.

So successful was the Court of Requests that it survived Richard’s reign, and was formalised by the Privy Council of Henry “Tudor”, the usurper. It was a popular court, because the cost of cases was relatively low and justice was swifter than the common law courts, which would ultimately prove its undoing. (...)

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